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Obama: “Order and Progress Can Only Come When Individuals Surrender Their Rights to an All-Powerful Sovereign” : Freedom Outpost



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Jun. 9th, 2014 10:11 am (UTC)
He is just as predicted.
Jun. 9th, 2014 10:16 pm (UTC)
In this particular case, it turns out the answer is "No." His speechwriters were actually on the ball. The line quoted above was part of a longer section in which Obama was describing the worldview of fascistic and tyrannical regimes, comparing it to America's and the West's ideals, and saying that our GIs died on the beaches to defend America and the West from those who would try to force their tyranny on us. I hadn't read the original text of the speech, or I'd have seen that. As Daniel Lustig points out in a comment here, the website I got that quote from quoted it out of context, assuming readers wouldn't double-check on it, trying to push their own agenda. "Conservative" sites seem to do that as often as "liberal" ones. I apologize for jumping the gun with this post.
Jun. 9th, 2014 11:38 am (UTC)
Kinda makes you wonder just what his definitions of "order" and "progress" are, doesn't it?

No, I don't make the mistake of assuming I understand what or how (or even if) he thinks; I'm pretty sure I don't. The man's mindset is, as near as I can tell, pretty much completely alien to my own. I'm not even confident that our semantic maps can overlap in any meaningful way. Certainly our moral/ethical maps can't.
Jun. 9th, 2014 10:09 pm (UTC)
It turns out that those words were part of a longer passage in which he was referring to fascist and other tyrannical regimes that had that world-view. He was saying that those Allied soldiers who died on D-Day sacrificed their lives to overcome tyrannous regimes who would otherwise try to force that outlook on all of us. See Daniel Lustig's comment on this post for the details. As I told him, I hadn't seen the whole passage, which redeemed this part of it. At least Obama's speechwriters were on the ball here. I got the URL, above, from a "conservative" website that apparently lies a lot in order to push their agenda -- which, whether good or bad, shouldn't be "supported" by blatant lies. I guess the author of the piece thought his readership wouldn't have read the original material that contains that quote from Obama's speech, and wouldn't think to check. Which is despicable. Lately, I am sick unto death of both the right and the left, both Democrats and Republicans. Call me Independent. Things like this are the reason why.
Jun. 9th, 2014 12:46 pm (UTC)
I've got tons of complaints about Obama, but I am getting sick and tired of the blatant dishonesty of some of these websites. He was giving a speech about D-Day of all things. He was talking about what our bravest men went and fought and gave their LIVES to defeat. And talking about the kind of tyranny they were fighting against:

"But those ideals have also been tested, here in Europe and around the world. Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign. Often this alternative vision roots itself in the notion that by virtue of race or faith or ethnicity, some are inherently superior to others and that individual identity must be defined by us versus them, or that national greatness must flow not by what people stand for, but what they are against."

In case it wasn't obvious, he was speaking AGAINST those things. Not in favor of them. But, of course, Freedom Outpost can claim that they're merely just not giving the actual context, and don't blame THEM! It's only a lie of omission, really, it's not a REAL lie, or anything! But really, it's the equivalent of a guy saying: "I hate people who say 'I love racism.'" and then quoting the guy as saying "I love racism." Well, technically, he DID say those words, in that order! We're not LYING!

And EVERY TIME some website like Freedom Outpost, or Worldnet Daily pulls shady business like this, people just lap it up. And comments here say: "He is just as predicted." or "The man's mindset is, as near as I can tell, pretty much completely alien to my own." Well, sure, if he was actually saying this, I'd feel the same way. I don't think any American would support him in any way if he'd actually said what he was accused of. But I'm SO looking forward to all the wonderful conversations today where people accuse me of all manner of depravity for daring to not scream for his impeachment over something he didn't actually say.

Edited at 2014-06-09 12:47 pm (UTC)
Jun. 9th, 2014 10:02 pm (UTC)
I agree. I hadn't seen the text of his original speech -- mea maxima culpa! -- and didn't realize that there was more, i.e., something to redeem it. I agree with you about World Net Daily and a number of other "conservative" websites. I know some of them take money from this group or that to push things that are NOT true, which is despicable. Thank you for the heads-up. :-)
Jun. 9th, 2014 11:26 pm (UTC)
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